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Episode 116: Does An Ellipsis Count As Three Words?

with Isfahan, Bunnybread, Acierocolotl, Boots Raingear, and Lemon.

Edited by Lemon

Content for this episode was provided by Erminea Heart.

Every year when November rolls around, conversation frequently drifts into one of two subjects: The moustache I totally would be growing if circumstances were different, and the novel I totally would be writing if circumstances were different. In this episode, we're concerned with the latter: Persons participating in National Novel Writing Month (or NaNoWriMo), mainly by hanging out on a forum and spitballing crappy ideas around. This week, The F Plus buys a hundred head of Satan's cattle.

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Last Updated on Sunday, 26 January 2014 22:27  

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+3 #30 Grygor 2013-12-06 01:26
Regarding the Song of Ice and Fire fanfic, I've gotta say I love the logic of "I'm going to honor this author I love by doing this thing that he hates."
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+9 #29 obfuscobble 2013-11-27 10:10
Also I meant to link this picture in the last comment but I did it wrong so here: i.imgur.com/Nn8vZt0.png
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0 #28 obfuscobble 2013-11-27 10:06
Quoting Lemmin:
Are you for real? Why do I feel like this is the first time I've heard from you on the subject of diacritics? For that matter, why did it take 116 episodes for the subject of diacritics to come up?

I mostly write about languages, so it's not like I'm some high fantasy nerd. There's only so much a guy can do with a degree in linguistics. (The answer is: nothing productive unless you join the state department with a focus on Middle-Eastern languages.) I try not to let my cringe-worthy side show and prefer to just laugh along with the F Plus. And this episode had a, uh, weird diacritic issue so I guess this episode was it.
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0 #27 Lemmin 2013-11-27 08:55
Quoting obfuscobble:

I'm an avid conlanger in my works as well

Are you for real? Why do I feel like this is the first time I've heard from you on the subject of diacritics? For that matter, why did it take 116 episodes for the subject of diacritics to come up?
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+1 #26 mdd 2013-11-27 07:55
You guys are the only source I'll ever need for Sade references.
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+7 #25 ForTheLoveOfConligus 2013-11-27 01:20
Quoting obfuscobble:

I'm an avid conlanger

I really don't see what your oral sex obsession has to do with any of this...
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0 #24 obfuscobble 2013-11-26 21:46
Quoting Acierglottalstopolot:
If it's supposed to be pronounced zhord, write it as zhord, I say. The only time you should have a name like Z?od?. is if people are going to be ordering "d?.at pizz.a" or whatever.

If you're speaking English, make your names English. I just shut up, grin and bear it every time Lemon mangles my goddamn username because, well, I deserved it for making something non-English in the first place.


This exactly. And just to prove how absolutely goddamn insane the names in that fic were, I decided to reread the passage assuming they were written in the International Phonetic Alphabet. It managed to sound infinitely MORE stupid. obfuscobble.tumblr.com/post/68229058378 And I scribbled Blissfahan too
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+3 #23 Acierglottalstopolot 2013-11-26 21:31
If it's supposed to be pronounced zhord, write it as zhord, I say. The only time you should have a name like Z?od?. is if people are going to be ordering "d?.at pizz.a" or whatever.

If you're speaking English, make your names English. I just shut up, grin and bear it every time Lemon mangles my goddamn username because, well, I deserved it for making something non-English in the first place.
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+2 #22 obfuscobble 2013-11-26 20:33
Quoting September:
The tails on the z's and d's would be the "less rounded" diacritic if they were attached properly. So it's pronounced Zod, but with very rigid lips.

Actually, I think the author was going for ?o? . So it would be pronounced retroflex, with the tongue tip backwards, sort of like saying zhoadr. Which is how it probably should have been spelled, or zhodr or zhord. Zhord would be the most reader friendly.
I'm an avid conlanger in my works as well, but at one point you have to make the concession that most folks can't read IPA, won't read any name with more than an acute accent over a vowel, and will never say your beautiful words correctly. (That's why I gave up and started writing all my main character names "incorrectly." ex: sa:.?ai = saathai.)
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+2 #21 dodoman1 2013-11-26 18:04
Quoting RoeCocoa:

Actually, most professional writers routinely write ~2000 words per day, when working on a first draft. However, they take the time to revise and edit their work several times before they even consider showing it to anyone. NaNo participants often make their first draft their only draft, and allow themselves to become attached to things that a professional writer or a good editor would cut out and throw away.

You're correct, but NaNoWriMo doesn't encourage editing, it encourages cranking out words. Not only that, it actively discourages editing by convincing participants that everything they write is great and special and worth reading (because, after all, the world needs their novels).
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+1 #20 AlbieQuirky 2013-11-26 15:13
Fuck you all for being so hilarious. I believe I actually coughed up a lung.

And me without any elf healing powers to speak of.
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+5 #19 My novel has a penis 2013-11-26 12:38
NaLaTraMo.

National LARP Transcript Month.
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+6 #18 sku 2013-11-26 11:57
Quoting KingKalamari:
Why does every amateur (And a lot of professional) fantasy story always have to have the same goddamn magical creatures in it. It's always elves elves dwarves elves dark elves. There's other things to rip off besides Tolkien


don't say that, there's a very real risk that somebody's gonna ape piers anthony
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0 #17 September 2013-11-26 08:36
The tails on the z's and d's would be the "less rounded" diacritic if they were attached properly. So it's pronounced Zod, but with very rigid lips.
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+7 #16 moz 2013-11-26 00:58
Blissfahan knows all the hits of the Village People
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+5 #15 slandersonn 2013-11-25 22:48
i can't wait to listen to this. i feel like i've been waiting for a nanowrimo episode my entire life
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+6 #14 ... 2013-11-25 20:43
"We’d change the name to “International Novel Writing Month,” but InNoWriMo doesn't roll off the tongue in quite the same way." - NaNoWriMo
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+16 #13 ForTheLoveOfAxolotls 2013-11-25 18:41
Quoting dodoman1:
They desperately want to DM games of Dungeons and Dragons, but don't have any friends who they can force to play their terrible campaigns.

Curse those high D&D social standards!
Speaking of things with wiazrds in them...

Much like the axolotl, these people will also never truly reach adulthood.
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+5 #12 dodoman1 2013-11-25 18:33
Quoting KingKalamari:
Why does every amateur (And a lot of professional) fantasy story always have to have the same goddamn magical creatures in it. It's always elves elves dwarves elves dark elves. There's other things to rip off besides Tolkien

These people don't want to write books, they want to write fucking Dungeons and Dragons campaigns.


They desperately want to DM games of Dungeons and Dragons, but don't have any friends who they can force to play their terrible campaigns.
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+4 #11 KingKalamari 2013-11-25 17:57
Why does every amateur (And a lot of professional) fantasy story always have to have the same goddamn magical creatures in it. It's always elves elves dwarves elves dark elves. There's other things to rip off besides Tolkien

These people don't want to write books, they want to write fucking Dungeons and Dragons campaigns.
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+2 #10 RoeCocoa 2013-11-25 17:20
Quoting Elizabeth_Sterling:
Quoting dodoman1:

Actually, most professional writers routinely write ~2000 words per day, when working on a first draft. However, they take the time to revise and edit their work several times before they even consider showing it to anyone. NaNo participants often make their first draft their only draft, and allow themselves to become attached to things that a professional writer or a good editor would cut out and throw away.
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+3 #9 ForTheLoveOfNanos 2013-11-25 17:12
Quoting PunkRainbow13 in the docs:
raised by swat team??

I want this comic yesterday.
Hell, just rotoscope Disney's Tarzan and replace the gorillas with SWAT members.
"What shall we call him, chief?"
"He will be known as Bravo Uniform Tango Tango"
~Put your faith in what you most believe in~
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+3 #8 Elizabeth_Sterling 2013-11-25 16:04
Quoting dodoman1:
I've always been opposed to NaNoWriMo because of how it encourages quantity over quality. I've only tried doing it once, and I gave up halfway through because I realized that I was churning out paragraphs upon paragraphs of garbage instead of taking the time to make what I was writing something exceptional.
Yeah, there are few enough people who can make 50,000 words in a month but to actually write 50,000 actually worthwhile words? In all likelihood you can count the authors capable of that on one hand.
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+6 #7 dodoman1 2013-11-25 15:10
As someone who is currently working on getting genre fiction novels published (and I swear this is the last time I'll talk about this here, because the last thing I want to be is one of those people), I can say with a certain amount of authority that not a single one of these people knows how to write a piece of genre fiction effectively. All of the shittiest genre fiction in the world is exactly like what these people are writing, based around a semi-interestin g idea but with no actual substance to carry it.

I've always been opposed to NaNoWriMo because of how it encourages quantity over quality. I've only tried doing it once, and I gave up halfway through because I realized that I was churning out paragraphs upon paragraphs of garbage instead of taking the time to make what I was writing something exceptional.
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+2 #6 TanTan 2013-11-25 14:16
All of my friends have been caught up in the NaNoWriMo frenzy. It's on my Facebook, on my Tumblr, my friends offline chat about theirs endlessly..
Needless to say, listening to this has felt therapeutic for me.Thanks :).
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+2 #5 geegollygosh 2013-11-25 04:10
This is now my NaNo soundtrack.
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+3 #4 Miles Beavis 2013-11-25 02:40
I just read the whole "raised by swat team??" thread (out of the document; it's since been mercifully deleted from the forum itself), and I don't think I've seen so much misaimed guidance since Rob the Parrot. I mean, even if "PunkRainbow13" isn't a troll, it's such a goddamn waste for these people to type up pages and pages of SWAT facts when the "author" they're trying to help can barely muster the coherence to type out forum posts. Just draining to read.
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+8 #3 Cuddlesquid 2013-11-25 00:35
Quoting MicroMissles:
"Blissfahan"

John can't make a pun that will top that.

But you know he's going to keep on trying.
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+2 #2 MicroMissles 2013-11-25 00:23
"Blissfahan"

John can't make a pun that will top that.
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